He was a real trapper but John and I trapped more wild hogs then he and John did when he came out to trap with John. He was very picky how the traps were set and we just did it our way. He was from up north but moved this museum to the San Antonio area. When he decided to close it down he sold some of the smaller animals and he left the elephant and giraffe in the building because it would have cost so much to remove them from the building. Dale died of colon cancer a few years ago.